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The Case for Ellarose's Return

RP Avatar By The Ram
POSTED: 26 Nov 2011 21:39
CATEGORY: Miscellaneous
FEATURED: Yes (COMMANDER)
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I'm not entirely sure as to what "Style" I should write this Blog in. It is a plea, for the most part, but not entirely. Oh well, enough rambling.

I'm sure some of you remember the member Ellarose, who was for the most part a good Member. And sometime back in what I want to say was April, she and Pokénerd "hacked"[as in, got a hold of Hullbreach's password and screwed around] SDK. They made a few Overlords, and banned a bunch of people, if memory serves. They have both been "exiled".

Now, a more recent incident, involving Twinkle987 and Craig675, which involved deleting the COMMANDER3DS Database, which forced Hull into having to completely "reset" the SDK database back 15 hours, resulting in the loss of BB Posts, Blogs, messages, and literally every other form of Data on the site newly added/created in the past 15 hours, to get C-3DS back up and running.
Their punishment?
Well, Twinkle was Perma'd, considering her track record. But Craig, he went on what was essentially a "Pity Cry" for the nest few days, and wasn't really punished at all. Yes, he has been Perma'd this month, but that was completely unrelated to the hack. Furthermore, I have screenshots[provided by Twinkle,] of Craig asking her for the C-3DS' new database password. She denied, but that's besides the point.

My point is, just take a moment and ask yourself; "which incident caused more 'destruction', and if the punishments were really fitting to the crime?"

It's been more than half a year now, and Ella still isn't back. I honestly think she should be allowed back if she wants. [I personally don't give a damn about Pokénerd.] I know Twinkle will most likely be allowed back near Christmas, and she & Craig did something far worse. It's not that I don't like Twinkle, but honestly, Ella got the short end of the stick as far as these "destructive" incidents go.

In short: Ella should be allowed back, considering that she did barely a fraction of the damage that Twinkle & Craig did.

Than you, I've got a mental list of Blogmins who will deny this on the spot. ;D
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Comments

Avatar The Ram
29 Nov 2011 04:08
You also use it as an insult.

I've seen you get away with calling people retards, yet you an those who do it to you. I'm not someone who is opposed to the word and is soccer mom-ish about it, but really, that's just stupid.

If you used that control "advantage" in a productive way, I wouldn't be saying anything.
And by productive, I do not mean making a website. I mean actually doing something good with it.
Avatar COMMANDER
29 Nov 2011 01:11
I have autism as well. And it pisses me off that society gives us the upper-crutch.

The Ram, now you're getting personal. I DO NOT use mine as a crutch. Yes, I use it to EXPLAIN to people how I work, and how I react, but I do not use it as a crutch. I want you to dig up proof that I use mine as a crutch.
Twinkle used her's as a crutch. Yes, I defended her, but I told her she can't keep using it as a crutch.

I indeed use it as a gift, because of it, I can control a much larger mass of my brain than you can just look at my website.

I have news for you. LIFE AIN'T FAIR! So quit complaining, only one person is the winner, not "everybody". Why? Because that person worked his way by himself.
Avatar The Ram
28 Nov 2011 20:52
If Chuck disagrees, I'll have to laugh. Considering he uses it as an excuse, or even a privalege sometimes...
Avatar The Ram
28 Nov 2011 20:34
It's funny Chuck, if we were actually thinking like Communists, then both of these duos would have been punished equally and at the same time.
Avatar COMMANDER
28 Nov 2011 16:52
Slov, I'd like to see you build a website from scratch, and see it get deleted before your eyes, THEN come talk to me about "grudges".

The Ram, Danny has a point.

HullBreach, good Point!

Mystical Zoey, I liek boobs.

Mr. Lord Zeus, Twinkle has had many chances. Where have you been? You said this yourself. You must be talking about Ellarose; nobody can be that hypocritical. And it's not ultimately up to her mother whether she comes back or not, it's up to me and HB, since HB owns the website, and said himself that I decide their punishment. My punishment is to never allow both of them to return.

Admiral, that's called thinking like a communist; expecting the same service to everyone. Some people are treated different than others to an extent. Just like how a nuclear engineer earns more than a trash collector (or at least it's supposed to, anyways).
HB is allowed to have favorites

Do I make my points clear? Good.
Avatar Emford01
28 Nov 2011 14:19
Quoth Waffle King:
Not that I like or dislike anyone (Truth is, I hate all of you), but isn't the whole purpose of a PERMANENT ban to make sure people are gone PERMANENTLY? You're just telling me that I can go hack this site, get banned for a few months, then come back and everything will be okay. Once you've executed the convict, you can't bring them back. Otherwise we'd have zombies. And no one wants those.
Amen o-o
Avatar Spyfox72
28 Nov 2011 05:23
Quoth The Ram:
Records of Ella's? No. I wasn't on that morning.

Records of Craig/Holly's? Ask Hull, Chuck.I can link the screenshots following Craig's recent perma.


I have records of the password thingy
Avatar Spyfox72
28 Nov 2011 05:22
Quoth Lilium:
Quoth HullBreachquote]The difference between ellarose and the others is that she never offered an apology. She instead took a vengeful streak after I shut down her account, and she broadcasted the password across several public locations then bragged about it. The others at least showed an inkling of remorse. I'm sure she has a conscience and a shred of moral decency, but I have never seen either in her. Since I made the mistake of leaving the test file in an unsecured folder with a password in the header section, it wasn't anywhere near a "hack" she committed, but it was identity theft. I was on a scramble to check everywhere I'd signed up over the years for the password to make sure she couldn't access anything like bank accounts or e-commerce websites where I had a credit card on file. (Luckily, I was only using the password in a few places.) The trouble Chuck had with his website last several hours on the server rollback, but it also took just a few hours to resolve (leaving the ultimate punishment to his choice). The mess that ellarose lead (She was the one who pushed for it.) caused me to take almost a week to clean up over an entire Sunday and through several evenings after work. She is never coming back, despite what anyone else believes.


She didn't put the password over other sites
Holly was the one who most likely done it. Holly even put Ella's own password on Youtube. [/quote]

PokeNerd found the password and sent to a few of us over Skype, Poke, Twinkle and Ella felt like messing around with the system.
Avatar Weegee8
28 Nov 2011 04:02
It's preety sad why people do these things. They obviously know they're going to be screwed afterwards. Kids these days...
Avatar Panzer123
28 Nov 2011 02:41
Quoth HullBreach:
No more ellarose
No more PokeNerd
No more Twinkle 987
No more Craig675

All 4 of them are beyond return. They have each committed numerous illegal actions against this server and its members.

Amen.
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 20:21
Well, was worth a shot, I s'pose.
Avatar RaptorofDoom
27 Nov 2011 19:26
There are other incidents from before you joined the site.
Avatar GuitarGodAnth
27 Nov 2011 16:10
Let her back, she can make us all overlords again. *sarcasm*
Avatar HullBreach
27 Nov 2011 14:31
No more ellarose
No more PokeNerd
No more Twinkle 987
No more Craig675

All 4 of them are beyond return. They have each committed numerous illegal actions against this server and its members.
Avatar Fernando
27 Nov 2011 12:33
Anyone who hacks into an overlords account no longer exists. Nuff said.
Avatar MoriaFox
27 Nov 2011 12:18
Quoth DripDrop:
When she returned as Grammar Nazi she became admin almost immediately.


She made Grammar Nazi BEFORE she was perma'd.

Though I'm not saying she dealt with it the right way, she WAS betrayed by friends, repeatedly banned for calling people stupid whenever they contradicted an admin's warning even though the warning was for something that WAS done and was CLEARLY inappropriate..

:l I've seen other members call people stupid in a scenario like that, are they being allowed to get away with it just because it's in english not japanese?

Seriously, the only reason I was ever told she got deadminned for was because of people complaining about the repeated bans for calling stupid people stupid in another language.. :l

And of course those bans weren't really.. .-. How do I say it? > THEY MADE NO GODDAMN SENSE AT ALL!

I think ultimately yes she did something wrong, but the admins who banned her, and the ones who betrayed her also had a hand in it. They put the keys in the ignition and started the engine..
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 10:24
Quoth Vaati101:
Quoth LinkZeldalla and Poke didn't hack this site. They just hacked Hull's account and the only real damage caused was banning a small amount of people.

Getting someone's password isn't called hacking.


Yes, it isn't, but for dramatic effect, people call it 'hacking'.
Avatar LinkZelda
27 Nov 2011 09:34
Ella and Poke didn't hack this site. They just hacked Hull's account and the only real damage caused was banning a small amount of people.
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 09:24
Lilium has a point...

And again, she DID offer an apology=...
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 09:18
Quite devious, Lak. õ3Ô
Avatar Lakhlan01
27 Nov 2011 09:16
Seriously. If I had access to the SDK database, instead of being an idiot and deleting a bunch of stuff, I would slowly rip apart the fabric of SDK without anyone noticing. People would go missing, and nobody would know.

Not saying I would.

ó-ò
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 08:44
I should point out though, it was irresponsibility that led to both these incidents.
Avatar Mr. Lord Zeus
27 Nov 2011 08:39
Aww, No Ella D:
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 08:35
Well, she DID offer an apology a few months ago, but oh well..
Avatar HullBreach
27 Nov 2011 08:28
The difference between ellarose and the others is that she never offered an apology. She instead took a vengeful streak after I shut down her account, and she broadcasted the password across several public locations then bragged about it. The others at least showed an inkling of remorse. I'm sure she has a conscience and a shred of moral decency, but I have never seen either in her. Since I made the mistake of leaving the test file in an unsecured folder with a password in the header section, it wasn't anywhere near a "hack" she committed, but it was identity theft. I was on a scramble to check everywhere I'd signed up over the years for the password to make sure she couldn't access anything like bank accounts or e-commerce websites where I had a credit card on file. (Luckily, I was only using the password in a few places.) The trouble Chuck had with his website last several hours on the server rollback, but it also took just a few hours to resolve (leaving the ultimate punishment to his choice). The mess that ellarose lead (She was the one who pushed for it.) caused me to take almost a week to clean up over an entire Sunday and through several evenings after work. She is never coming back, despite what anyone else believes.
Avatar GenoSlash
27 Nov 2011 08:20
Quoth The Ram:
Quoth Vaati101quote]Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con él.

<br>
<br>.. Can anyone traanslate? ;-;
<br>[w/out using Google Translate, >.>][/quote]

"I totally agree with him."
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 08:14
Quoth Vaati101:
Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con él.


.. Can anyone traanslate? ;-;
[w/out using Google Translate, >.>]
Avatar GenoSlash
27 Nov 2011 07:35
I support 100%.
Avatar Slovendo
27 Nov 2011 07:08
Quoth COMMANDER:
I will not allow them to return.

You do have to consider one factor; Ella and Nerd hacked THIS website, therefore we're exiled from THIS website.
Since Holly and Craig hacked my website, I exiled them from C-3DS.
I look back to that day, and I wish I had punished them more serverly. I guess I can extend their punishment... Unles HB says otherwise, I will not let Holly nor Craig return here.


I really do respect what you say and understand why you say it, but its time to man-up and forgive. holding grudges will only get more people mad.

with all due respect, just saying. my oppinion.

And on the topic of twinkle and craig- depending if craig has any other prior incidents let him back. twinkle- how many times hasshe been permad? 24? dont let her back, she is a minipulative little brat
Avatar Waffle King
27 Nov 2011 07:07
Not that I like or dislike anyone (Truth is, I hate all of you), but isn't the whole purpose of a PERMANENT ban to make sure people are gone PERMANENTLY? You're just telling me that I can go hack this site, get banned for a few months, then come back and everything will be okay. Once you've executed the convict, you can't bring them back. Otherwise we'd have zombies. And no one wants those.
Avatar Slovendo
27 Nov 2011 07:03
i agree... Its rediculous how better people who dont minipulate others get the short end of the stick.
Avatar Winter Icefox
27 Nov 2011 06:39
it is really easy to avoid a IP ban.... :l

not saying i have, but it is really easy to change your interwebs IP, there should be better way to permanently ban :p
Avatar WhaleFreak
27 Nov 2011 06:31
I want her back >:l
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 06:23
Most people backing her were not Admins, though. If anything, they were mostly against her. Sure, users might have wanted her back, but that rarely counts for anything.
Avatar DripDrop
27 Nov 2011 06:19
And by the time of the Pokenerd, password thing, Ella had plenty of people to back her. But they had already decided their punishment before anybody couldt debate against it.
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 06:16
Ah, yes. GN, that was interesting drama..
Avatar DripDrop
27 Nov 2011 06:10
Quoth The Ram:
Quoth DripDropquote]Quoth Panzer123:I personally thinkthat Twinkle and Craig should never touch this site again. As for Ellarose, I guess she was treated unfairly because she didn't have as many "bad cop" friends who would let her off the hook.
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<br>You don't know what you're saying.

<br>
<br>He does, Drip.
<br>
<br>Holly and Craig had several Admins backing them, as well as a lot ofpity.
<br>
<br>Ella wasn't backed by anyone, and several members were intent on getting her exiled, including certain Admins.[/quote]

Ella had a lot of users backing her, but I remember most admins got angry because when she returned as Grammar Nazi she became admin almost immediately.
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 06:07
Quoth DripDrop:
Quoth Panzer123:I personally thinkthat Twinkle and Craig should never touch this site again. As for Ellarose, I guess she was treated unfairly because she didn't have as many "bad cop" friends who would let her off the hook.

You don't know what you're saying.


He does, Drip.

Holly and Craig had several Admins backing them, as well as a lot ofpity.

Ella wasn't backed by anyone, and several members were intent on getting her exiled, including certain Admins.
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 06:04
I'm amazed that there wasn't more opposition... Wow. o3o

Exactly, Zeus...

Dee, but it wasn't as devestating as what Craig & Holly did, which caused 15 hours worth of data to be completelly wiped, or rather, 'reset'.
Avatar DripDrop
27 Nov 2011 06:01
Quoth Panzer123:
I personally thinkthat Twinkle and Craig should never touch this site again. As for Ellarose, I guess she was treated unfairly because she didn't have as many "bad cop" friends who would let her off the hook.


You don't know what you're saying.
Avatar DripDrop
27 Nov 2011 05:56
THANK YOU RAM
It's 'bout time Ella came back 333. Her punishment wasn't really fair.
Avatar Lucas7
27 Nov 2011 05:38
↓↓↓Super overkill Zeus!↓↓↓

I hardly remember the hack Ellarose was involved with... but hey, second chances (as mentioned below) save alot of things from being...... opposed? So perhaps Ella should get a chance, but only that, at it.
Avatar Mr. Lord Zeus
27 Nov 2011 05:23
Quoth The Ram:
Hmm, Chuck Featured... My mind is scrambled.

Chuck, though they did hack this website directly, the indirect casualties from Craig & Holly's deletion-joy was far more noticeable and 'destructive'.
********And I don't believe you have the authority to decide who gets to access SDK to begin with, Chuck.********


You speak the truth... I think everyone should be allowed a second chance and 1 person not ruin that because of grudges.
Avatar Waffle King
27 Nov 2011 05:10
Perma them all. They don't amuse me anyway.
Avatar Dinosaur
27 Nov 2011 04:54
I wonder why other people who messed with the site got a second chance yet Ellarose didn't...
Avatar The Ram
27 Nov 2011 04:32
Hmm, Chuck Featured... My mind is scrambled.

Chuck, though they did hack this website directly, the indirect casualties from Craig & Holly's deletion-joy was far more noticeable and 'destructive'.
And I don't believe you have the authority to decide who gets to access SDK to begin with, Chuck. Granted, I know you have heavy influence, unfortunately.

Dee, I'm well aware. But I mean allowed to return as Ellarose.

Lim, I'm asking for "Capital Punishment", if I have the correct term.
Avatar Nope.avi
27 Nov 2011 04:24
We've had admins do far worse things, such as cybering members and whatnot (not naming names, but you know who you are), and they're still around, with powers. Twinkle's had more than a "second chance," she's had plenty, and she'll probably get more because she's whines a lot and begs for forgiveness. Craig will most likely be allowed back in a week or so.

Ella, did a lot less in terms of damage, and she's still not back. Let her back.
Avatar MysticalZoey
27 Nov 2011 04:13
Yes! We should also allow Hentai Queen back! Hip hip hurray! lolno. I keed.
Avatar MetalHeart
27 Nov 2011 03:12
Eh, why not...?
Avatar Limxzero
27 Nov 2011 02:46
You're asking for standards. But low ones, and that's not the answer.
Avatar Mr. Lord Zeus
27 Nov 2011 02:26
Quoth Admiral:
That's what I hate about it here. Different rules for different people.


I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO agree.
Avatar Mr. Lord Zeus
27 Nov 2011 02:23
I've spoken to Twinkle and her mom might let her come back. I believe that she should ONLY if she promises not to get into trouble and her mom is in contact with HB and Sam.
Avatar Mr. Lord Zeus
27 Nov 2011 02:22
I think she deserves a second chance.
Avatar Kingpin
27 Nov 2011 02:03
"One without mistakes, is without experience." Lol, yeah it was off a fortune cookie. But, forgive and forget, right?
Avatar Panzer123
27 Nov 2011 01:57
I personally thinkthat Twinkle and Craig should never touch this site again. As for Ellarose, I guess she was treated unfairly because she didn't have as many "bad cop" friends who would let her off the hook.
Avatar JamMJFan
27 Nov 2011 01:33
I miss Holly Dx oh well, atleast I have her on FB :3
Avatar COMMANDER
27 Nov 2011 01:11
Although, the Holly and Craig incident DID span to Paint as the result...
Avatar COMMANDER
27 Nov 2011 01:06
I will not allow them to return.

You do have to consider one factor; Ella and Nerd hacked THIS website, therefore we're exiled from THIS website.
Since Holly and Craig hacked my website, I exiled them from C-3DS.
I look back to that day, and I wish I had punished them more serverly. I guess I can extend their punishment... Unles HB says otherwise, I will not let Holly nor Craig return here.
Avatar silverforest
26 Nov 2011 23:22
Totally agree.
Avatar The Ram
26 Nov 2011 22:10
Records of Ella's? No. I wasn't on that morning.

Records of Craig/Holly's? Ask Hull, Chuck.I can link the screenshots following Craig's recent perma.
Avatar rayword45
26 Nov 2011 22:04
Because I rarely touch this site, do you have photos/records of either incident?
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