Unusual Pokemon Battle Techniques (Mostly Theoretical) By Draconid

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By Draconid_Jo
POSTED: 07 May 2019 21:26
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This is sort of a weird blog. It probably won't interest very many people (except Hardcore PokÃ©mon nerds like me), but I figured I'd do it anyway. Basically, these are some unusual battle techniques I came up with. It should be noted that while I have TESTED most of them to make sure that they work, I haven't really used most of these in any serious Battles (and there's a couple here I never even tested). If you think any of these ideas might actually be useful as part of any real Battle Strategy, or if you need me to explain any of them in more detail, please leave a comment. Thanks!

1. Transform+Mega Evolution
Basically, have a PokÃ©mon (preferably a Mew) use Transform on a Mega Evolved Teammate. Works with Primal Reversion/Ultra Burst, too.

2. Serene Grace+Secret Power+Grassy Terrain
Pretty much self-explanatory. It would work in naturally occurring Grassy/Snowy/Icy Terrain, or in PokÃ©mon-made Grassy Terrain, giving a 60% chance of Sleep/Freeze status.

3. Dark Void+Choice Scarf+Smeargle
Basically, take a Smeargle (with a Speed-increasing Nature, and Max IVs and EVs in Speed), give it a Choice Scarf, and have it use Dark Void. This wouldn't really be as useful in Gen 7 (except MAYBE in Battle Royals), since they reduced Dark Void's Accuracy, but in Gen 6 it might be useful for non-Legendary Double/Triple Battles.

4. Truant/Slow Start+Skill Swap+Good Ability
Basically a modified version of the whole "get rid of your negative Ability" thing. Rather than just getting rid of it, Skill Swap over a useful Ability (Pure Power, Huge Power, and Scrappy come to mind).

5. Magic Guard+Life Orb+Double-Edge
This one would be rather hard to actually implement, due to the fact it would only be any good Pre-Gen 6, and that it would require transferring a Gen 3 Cleffa/Clefairy that knew Double-Edge AND had the right PVs, up to Gen 4, and Evolving it. Still MIGHT be useful, though.

6. Paralysis+Quick Feet+Facade
A little awkward compared to a Toxic Orb, but you'd avoid the damage from the Poison, for what it's worth.

7. Safeguard+Swagger/Flatter
Surprised I've never seen or heard of this one, considering how simple it is. Should work with Leaf Guard or Misty Terrain, too.

8. Transform+Shedinja
Pretty cool trick, but I'm not sure how useful it would really be.

9.Choice Scarf/Assault Vest+Imposter
This is one I've actually used before in real Battles, and its pretty good (in particular the Choice Scarf one). Definitely a good way of taking advantage of Imposter.

10. Yache Berry+Water-type
Pretty straightforward. Use a Yache Berry to protect against Freeze-Dry. I've used this one before, too, and I KNOW it's useful. (IF your opponent knows Freeze-Dry, anyway.)

11. Trick-or-Treat+Expert Belt
This one could be used with Soak or Forest's Curse, too.

12. No Guard+Skill Swap+One-hit-Ko Move
It has a lot of potential, but it would probably be pretty awkward to do this most of the time.

13. Clangorous Soulblaze+Psych Up
Another really straightforward one.

14. Skill Swap+Contrary
Another interesting potential use of Skill Swap. It might be nice to use on a PokÃ©mon like Mega Rayquaza.

15. Magic Bounce+Swagger/Flatter+Own Tempo
Using Magic Bounce in this and similar ways has a lot of potential, I think. It would be interesting to use with Contrary, Sap Sipper, or any similar Abilities, as well.

16. Aqua Jet+Storm Drain
This could also be used with Water Absorb/Dry Skin, for a priority healing move.

17. Super Effective priority move+Weakness Policy
Same concept as the previous one, more or less.

18.Endure+Weakness Policy+Shedinja
Probably the most unusual of these so far, it's obviously pretty risky.

19. Camouflage+Normal Gem+Hyper Beam/Giga Impact
You could do similar things to this in Gen 5 Games with the other Gems, depending upon the Terrain.

20. Skill Swap+Own Tempo+Outrage
Another Skill Swap one. There's loads of things similar to this you could do with Skill Swap.

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Dedode
10 May 2019 00:06

My favorite is Speed boost + sword dance + white herb + batton pass + ingrain + double team + batton pass + calm mind + stored power.

takes the whole team to perform but its funny

Finrod
10 May 2019 12:24
In reply to Dedode

Bring a marshadow with that, and if your opponent pulls a psych up or does the same thing you can steal their buffs.

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 01:16
In reply to Dedode

I've got say, that is really cool.
On a side note, I just thought I'd mention something I regularly do with my Speed Boost Sharpedos (I like Sharpedo a lot, BTW). I have them use Protect on the first turn BEFORE Mega Evolving them. It's usually pretty safe to do this, and it makes Mega Sharpedo WAY faster, which can make a big difference.

Finrod
10 May 2019 12:22
In reply to Draconid_Jo

Try blaziken lol

Sun+Moon
10 May 2019 14:50
In reply to Finrod

My god i LOVE blaziken

Finrod
10 May 2019 15:25
In reply to Sun+Moon

For a good reason!!

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 17:17
In reply to Finrod

Yeah, it WOULD work with Blaziken, or any other PokÃ©mon with Speed Boost, for that matter. But the Sharpedo thing is different, because once it Mega Evolves, it's Ability CHANGES (to Strong Jaw). This technique allows you to take advantage of BOTH Abilities. Whereas with Blaziken, its Mega HAS Speed Boost, and therefore, there is no reason to withhold Mega Evolution.

Finrod
10 May 2019 17:41
In reply to Draconid_Jo

I mean yeah, but sharpedo isnâ€™t really good until it mega evolves sadly, you canâ€™t really stall sharpedo unless you use a switch in to counter a grass move, which will only be like 1.5x boosts. You wouldnâ€™t be able to last long becuase sharpedo doesnâ€™t have good defense, and goes down in like one thunder.

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 17:45
In reply to Finrod

The question is: Can a Mega Sharpedo with (at level 50) 211 Attack, an Abilty that increases Crunch's damage by 50%, and a 50% increase to its Speed from my Speed Boost trick, take out whatever it is that would be using that Thunder in ONE HIT?

Finrod
13 May 2019 13:25
In reply to Draconid_Jo

Sharpedo isnâ€™t even that high in the pokemon tier lol, almost all electric types have a massive amount of speed, I doubt itâ€™s tanky, because of its high speed balances it out. a joleton could make quick work of it with a choice scarf lol. And thats one of the basic examples.

Finrod
13 May 2019 13:26
In reply to Finrod

Jolteon* and i mean thats if i allowed you to let off a speed boost lol. roar is a good move to have.

Draconid_Jo
18 May 2019 13:59
In reply to Finrod

Roar doesn't work on a PokÃ©mon using Protect. And yeah, IF you give one of the fastest PokÃ©mon in the Game a Choice Scarf, it'll be faster. But seriously? There are many better ways to counter that strategy. My whole point is, if you want to use Sharpedo (I happen to like Sharks a lot), this is a good technique to use. And plenty of "lower tier" PokÃ©mon are great in Hardcore Battles. It just depends on how you use them, and in what situation.

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 17:48
In reply to Draconid_Jo

Oh, I forgot to mention! It's effective Speed would be 258.

Finrod
09 May 2019 13:39

My favorite is barrier/iron defense + baton pass into a gluttony pkmn+ Aguav berry + belly drum + recycle.
You can only use snorlax + your baton pass PokÃ©mon though.

Draconid_Jo
09 May 2019 15:17
In reply to Finrod

Cool ideas! Thanks! The very first one up thereâ€¦ Does it sound plausible in a Real Battle? I mean, if I could ever refrain from using an all Dragon Team, I would like to try it myself, but every time I get ready to Battle, I just end up using a bunch of Dragons, lol!

Finrod
10 May 2019 12:21
In reply to Draconid_Jo

I mean itâ€™s pretty random really, if you transform into a PokÃ©mon that has a mega maybe it might work. But itâ€™s also kind of pointless. Like why bother copying your opponents mega if you can just get that mega already? Youâ€™re going to need their mega item to work in the first place so??? Idk Like I said an all dragon team isnâ€™t really good lol. An all dragon team will help you carry through PokÃ©monâ€™s linear story and main plot, but on competitive youâ€™re dead, and you canâ€™t really switch out on fairy types or other dragon types. Or youâ€™ll always end up dying every switch.

Finrod
10 May 2019 13:22
In reply to Finrod

Most of these are actually kind of viable, they are actual techniques lol, the mega evolution one I donâ€™t know, but most of these people actually use, besides endure shedinga, they use ability switch with a PokÃ©mon with sturdy and shedinga basically becomes god.

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 17:26
In reply to Finrod

I've tested the Mega one. IT DOES WORK. What I'm not sure about is if it would be worth it. And the idea, BTW, is to Transform into a Teammate (in a Double or Triple Battle) AFTER the Teammate has Mega Evolved. In other words, you could have 2 Mega Evolved PokÃ©mon (of the same type, too), when you can only Mega Evolve once per Battle.
And an all Dragon Team IS viable against Human opponents. I've defeated many Trainers with Legendary/Mythical Fairy-types (such as Xerneas, Diancie, Tapu Fini, just to name a few), WITH AN ALL DRAGON-TYPE TEAM. Believe it or not, if you take out your opponent in one hit, it doesn't matter if they have a Super Effective move, or not. For more information on this, read my Dragon Master blog.

Finrod
10 May 2019 18:51
In reply to Draconid_Jo

The double mega evolution sounds really cool. Damn I gotta try that now. Sadly I donâ€™t even have the 3DS versions. But Iâ€™ll see if it works on PokÃ©mon showdown lmao. I would battle you with an fairy/ice team and show you, if I could.

Finrod
10 May 2019 18:52
In reply to Finrod

I know how glass cannons work lol, no need for that. But who are you facing lol?

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 19:28
In reply to Finrod

Oh, and I'm not necessarily referring to "Glass Cannons". What I'm referring to is the use of damage multipliers. I believe I explained how a Dragonite could reduce the damage of an Ice-type move from 4Ã— damage to Â½ damage, right? Well there are offensive techniques, too. Read my Dragon Master blog. It mentions the power of moves such as Dragon Dance, and Swords Dance. Also, the Weakness Policy, which, once activated, will double your Attack and Sp. Attack. That effectively makes your Normal Effectiveness moves Super Effective. It's just a matter of math, lol!

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 19:20
In reply to Finrod

Just Random Matchup at Battle Spot. And of course an all Ice/Fairy Team can beat an all Dragon Team (provided they're good enough), that's not my point. My point is 1 or 2 Fairy-types on a Mixed Team isn't going to defeat a well coordinated Dragon-type Team. Most people (actual Human Players, anyway) don't focus on one type. I'm saying if you do, you can not only get away with it, but also catch an opponent who's used to a well-rounded Team off guard. One Xerneas isn't going to defeat your entire Team, not if you know what you're doing.

Finrod
13 May 2019 14:24
In reply to Draconid_Jo

Ahh, well I find the phrase â€œIf theyâ€™re well coordinated enoughâ€ to be applicable to everything lol, i just find it difficult to even comprehend that a mixed player (which would typically be a team created to counter all thatâ€™s oppose the strategy or at least attempt to) would loose to a meme-able team, dragon dance is indeed a good move, but that doesnâ€™t necessarily make dragons amazing, we know Gemonacy+power herb and nasty plot, etc already exist. Dragons arenâ€™t special for knowing to learn dragon dance. It isnâ€™t all that viable as your overexaggerating is what Iâ€™m saying, itâ€™s quite funny and cool though//

Draconid_Jo
18 May 2019 14:07
In reply to Finrod

The only way Geomancy is even a useful move in a serious Battle, is if it's paired with a Power Herb. Pretty much every Xerneas I've defeated did just that. And the premise of an all Dragon Team is pretty straightforward. Basically, it's using overwhelming Offensive Power, to take down one's opponents, coupled with Defensive Items/Abilities, to ensure you get off the necessary moves to do so. My Dragon Master blog covers most of this, but one thing to keep in mind with Xerneas: Mega Rayquaza is faster. Imagine a hypothetical 1 on 1 between a Mega Rayquaza and a Xerneas. If you do that, you (hopefully) will get my point.

Finrod
13 May 2019 15:45
In reply to Finrod

Like i do understand most fairy types lack of offensive movesets, and theyâ€™re mostly support TBH, iâ€™ve ONLY used Florges, Mega Diancie, and Gallade/Gardevoir. So i fully understand honestly.

Draconid_Jo
18 May 2019 14:12
In reply to Finrod

Gallade isn't a Fairy-type. That aside, the main point is Fairy-types aren't as strong (in general) as Dragon-types. There are no Pseudo-legendary Fairy-types (yet), and only a few Legendary ones. And those few Legendary ones are not very sturdy (aside from Tapu Fini, by far the hardest for me to deal with).

Finrod
20 May 2019 13:26
In reply to Draconid_Jo

Oh well dang. You canâ€™t fully rely on the fact that the fairy would just 1v1 you though. Again itâ€™s mostly just a switch in, because you are right. Fairy types suck in offensive. You have too give gardevoir a choice scarf just to deal decent damage with moonblast. But i mean a mixed competitive team that is typically worked around negating your loses. Is what makes competitive, competitive. Why would you make a team that exposes you to dragons? From all the PTSD everyone has from Garchomp in Gen 4 lol

Draconid_Jo
21 May 2019 09:55
In reply to Finrod

I'm glad you saw that hypothetical 1v1 correctly, but that was just to make a point. My point is, a powerful Dragon-type PokÃ©mon can overcome an obvious type mismatch. You do need to be able to predict when an opponent is going to switch, yes, but I'm not really sure how to teach that, lol. It's basically just a skill you develop through experience. Overall, though, it's just a matter of threat assessment, and eliminating the biggest threats (such as Fairies, or PokÃ©mon that might know an Ice-type move) first.

Finrod
13 May 2019 15:53
In reply to Finrod

Oh and sadly, I donâ€™t really own a 3DS, rest in piece battle spot, but dude if you have a PC i would love to face you in showdown. Which is the same as 3DS + more.

Draconid_Jo
18 May 2019 14:14
In reply to Finrod

Yeah, that sucks.

I don't own a PC, either, so I guess we can't Battle.

Finrod
09 May 2019 13:33

God that sturdy Shedinja ability switch thing is such a pain. Also Heliolisk with solar power + sunny day + choice scarf is underrated. And of course the arena trap + encore lol.

Draconid_Jo
10 May 2019 17:35
In reply to Finrod

The major flaw in the "Sturdy Shedinja" strategy, is that Shedinja is only invincible because of Sturdy. Sturdy cannot protect Shedinja from a Haxorus with Mold Breaker, nor a Garchomp's Rough Skin. It also cannot protect it from Sandstorms, or Hail, or Poison, or Burns, or Leech Seed, or a Rocky Helmet, or Spiky Shield, or lots of other things.

Finrod
13 May 2019 13:29
In reply to Draconid_Jo

True, but you canâ€™t just name all of ones downfalls, and expect the other team to be built around just deafeating a shedinga lol, there are more other things to worry about people usually consider, like getting rid of stealth rocks or trick room teams, those are scary!!

Draconid_Jo
18 May 2019 14:19
In reply to Finrod

I could write an entire blog, just about the nearly infinite number of ways to take out a Shedinja, with or without Sturdy. Try that technique out in the PWT (in B2/W2), and you'll see what I mean. And it's WAY WORSE in Gen 7. All the Main Legendaries Main Move would one-shot such a Shedinja. There's no comparison between that, and my Dragon Strategy. The true flaw of the Shedinja thing, is that you're trying to make 1 PokÃ©mon invincible, when that is impossible to do.

Finrod
20 May 2019 13:17
In reply to Draconid_Jo

I mean the legendaries main move wouldnâ€™t one shot shedinja, unless the move is fire/dark which would only be Reshiram/Groundown/Ho-oh so youâ€™re wrong lol, and the rest is right so yeah, Iâ€™m not saying itâ€™s better then your dragon team here it was just a reminiscent of the Shedinja strategy. Lol. I mean you feel pretty confident in your strategy. Iâ€™m just saying itâ€™s not really special, you told me how Iâ€™m just spouting basics, but your strategy with Dragons is basic in itself, The strategy your giving just seems like the given dragon combo that the game gave you. I mean maybe you could tell me your team, because your dragon blog definitly doesnâ€™t say so/

Draconid_Jo
21 May 2019 09:59
In reply to Finrod

I don't go into a lot of detail, but the point of my blog is for YOU to come up with your own Dragon Team, not just copy me.

Draconid_Jo
21 May 2019 09:46
In reply to Finrod

Mold Breaker, Turbo blaze, Teravolt, and the moves Photon Geyser, Moongeist Beam, and Sunsteel Strike, all ignore your opponents Ability, including Wonder Guard, and Sturdy. IMO, that's a pretty big weakness. Star Shadow apparently made a blog way back that covered some of Shedinja's weaknesses. I'd recommend reading it.

Unusual Pokemon Battle Techniques (Mostly Theoretical)

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