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World War II - The real reason America got invovled

RP Avatar By Fart-Woman
POSTED: 12 Feb 2012 16:38
CATEGORY: Polemic Rant
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The Holocaust.

Those are still some of the most chilling words to man-kind. What was the reason this happened? More importantly, why did America not do anything about it?

Franklin D. Roosevelt was a powerful president, most known for bringing the U.S. out of the depression with his “New Deal.” He was also president during most of WWII. He knew all about the jews and gypsies and other minorities being slain in Europe, but because he had drawn up certain “neutrality acts,” we didn't go to war. We didn't help those suffering from Hitler's mad prosecution of those that were “lesser beings” than the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Arians. Thoughout all the suffering, we didn't go to war-- well, that is until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

World War II veterans are known as the “Greatest Generation,” but this couldn't be farther from the truth. We did not go into Europe to stop the prosecution of the jews, we went in because we got bombed, and all of a sudden, things got personal. We went into Europe for our own revenge, and that makes us no better than the brainwashed German society or the land-crazed Japanese. All of the politicians knew what had been going on beforehand, but we didn't do anything until we had to protect our own asses. In fact, if Japan had never bombed us, we probably never would have gotten involved at all. We would have sat back and listened on the radio about how another billion “lesser beings” were murdered.

America should not be considered the hero of WWII; they should be considered a selfish country who only got involved because they had been struck by a bomb. We were one of the worst villians of this era, but we were still held up on a pedastle. Why? Why didn't we get involved for something more important than just ourselves? Why didn't we get involved before so many innocent people were killed? Well, it's because we're America, the beautiful, and being selfish is rule number one.
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Avatar Colyosis
19 Feb 2012 23:23
My brother says "Your ass' would be in Germany still if it wern't for America we saved Englands ass'" soif I where you i would keep your mouth shut

again not trying to be a mean person, n00b, or ass hole just stating whats kinda true
Avatar Colyosis
19 Feb 2012 05:11
We also got involved cause Mr.Roosavelt was smart man he didn't say "ohh who cares about the bombing, we will wait it out."

He as like "They can't push us around we need too end this war"

not in those words but you get the idea I think.

(Not trying too be a n00b.)
Avatar Kion127
18 Feb 2012 19:35
D-day, not D-dag. Typo :l
Avatar Kion127
18 Feb 2012 19:02
America would be involved in the war no matter what. Germany was set on world domination. Hitler was not going to stop with taking over Europe. He would have eventually attacked America. That would be difficult however, as america is surrounded by ocean and beaches. Destroyers would be unable to land near beaches (same as the allies were unable to land their destroyers in normondy on D-dag). The Axis powers would have to go through our Navy then our ground forces if they managed to get passed.
Avatar AoNoMusume
18 Feb 2012 03:01
Weell, I have to tell you the truth you have a point, America did get involve to make themselves look stronger
Avatar HullBreach
17 Feb 2012 21:34
Quoth RinCanFlyy:
I always think back to the time of Washington's Farewell Address; in which he gives the young nation the advice to NOT get involved in European affairs. Look at us now.


He also warned about how political parties divide nations. Every president after him was part of one, and ever since the 1800 campaign, there has definitely been division by the parties.
Avatar 007Jesse
15 Feb 2012 06:12
just did a quick google XD sorry, what i was told was wrong Xl darn lying movie peoles (it was supposed to teach you too!)
Avatar 007Jesse
15 Feb 2012 06:08
Quoth HullBreach:
The bomb on Hiroshima did have warning and was set to hit the military base, but the pilot was off-course, and the wind was heavy that day. The bomb ended up falling angled toward the city, so it took out much of the base and part of the city. Hiroshima is along a hillside, so much of the city was shielded from the blast, but there was still a terrible number of civilian casualties.

kk, thats not how it is toght today. If you learned it like... info changes over time, and there are now educational (and boring) movies. In the movie, it said there was a movie made soon after Hiroshima that said warnings where dropped, because the govt didnt want US to be seen as 'bad guys' your book may have taken info from the movie. But yeah, info changes over time, thats just how its taught today
Avatar tehjew1
15 Feb 2012 04:02
America isn't being selfish for not "joining in" to be the savior. We would just be getting involved in something that has nothing to do with us. But, we did anyway. America was never considered the hero, I'm pretty sure the Russians were...
Avatar broken mess
15 Feb 2012 02:14
Quoth Moulder:
Quoth XxretraccoolXx:Well the japanese attacked pearl harbour because the usa cut off their oil supply. What would happen if the united states got their oil supply shut off

We produce our own oil, we just get oil from others as well. But the prices of oil for the USA would get jacked up extremely high. The reason Japan did what they did was pathetic and they deserved to be nuked in a way. I just wish they would of targeted some government places instead of killing thousands of innocent people that could possibly disagree with what their government was doing.
w may claim to get our own oil but its kinda a joke. After the us quit drilling for oil in the gulf, only american had to stop, mexicans probally went and drille, then sold it to us so they couldmake money off of oil america already found for them
Avatar CaLiGoOnZ
15 Feb 2012 01:36
I like it that I learn more from the comments then the blog
Avatar Siling-La
28 May 2020 00:25
In reply to CaLiGoOnZ
Same here XD
Avatar HullBreach
14 Feb 2012 13:19
Quoth LinkZelda:
Some historians argue that America could of stopped the events which led to WW2 as they would of took charge of the League of Nations.


If FDR and congress hadn't manipulated the value of the dollar, causing the depression to spread to the European creditors as a massive default on debt, there may have never been a second World War.
Avatar HullBreach
14 Feb 2012 13:15
The bomb on Hiroshima did have warning and was set to hit the military base, but the pilot was off-course, and the wind was heavy that day. The bomb ended up falling angled toward the city, so it took out much of the base and part of the city. Hiroshima is along a hillside, so much of the city was shielded from the blast, but there was still a terrible number of civilian casualties.
Avatar HullBreach
14 Feb 2012 13:12
Grr, auto spell correcting! Nuclear "arms", not "ATMs".
Avatar HullBreach
14 Feb 2012 13:10
Quoth 007Jesse:
Quoth HullBreach:
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually major military bases. The power of the bombs was a big unknown. For that reason, the USA dropped leaflets from planes a day in advance that warned the civilians to evacuate the areas. The Little Boy bomb for Hiroshima was an untested U-235 gun-type. (An explosive blasts a chunk of U-235 into another chunk to make a chain reaction.) The Fat Man for Nagasaki was a Pu implosion-type (An explosive blased a sphere of Pu into a tight area.) that was tested once in Alamagordo, MN, with a different yield. Both bombs ended up being much more powerful than predicted and took out parts of the neighboring cities, along with the naval yards. It was tragic, for sure, but how many lives were actually spared by ending the War in the Pacific earlier than if the A-bombs had not existed? I've read estimates that say the war could have continued 10 more years.
actually, they werent military bases. Hiroshima did have a base, but it wasnt planned on being major unless Tokyo was more destriyed (by fire bombing)
The power of the a-bombs where a big unknown. Which is why they dropped it in the center of Hiroshima. They wanted to see how powerful they where. It just so happens that there was a hospital near ground zero, not a military base.
also, the pamphlets is a huge lie that you must have heard/ seen in the movie made soon after Hiroshima. There was no warning.
sorry to point those out, I just wanted you to know what happened (also, read the book Hiroshima. It's pretty good, and tells the stories of like 6 of the survivors of Little Boy)


The book I read is called "Brotherhood of the Bomb", which covers the whole nuclear arms race from Einstein's letter about nuclear fission to FDR through nuclear ATMs treaties after the thermonuclear tests off the Marshal Islands.

I actually learned about the leaflets in my history class, right from our textbook. Both the textbook and the book I read on my own explained why the targets were chosen: military shipyards.
Avatar XxretraccoolXx
14 Feb 2012 06:14
Quoth HullBreach:
Quoth Moulder:Quoth XxretraccoolXx:Well the japanese attacked pearl harbour because the usa cut off their oil supply. What would happen if the united states got their oil supply shut off

We produce our own oil, we just get oil from others as well. But the prices of oil for the USA would get jacked up extremely high. The reason Japan did what they did was pathetic and they deserved to be nuked in a way. I just wish they would of targeted some government places instead of killing thousands of innocent people that could possibly disagree with what their government was doing.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually major military bases. The power of the bombs was a big unknown. For that reason, the USA dropped leaflets from planes a day in advance that warned the civilians to evacuate the areas. The Little Boy bomb for Hiroshima was an untested U-235 gun-type. (An explosive blasts a chunk of U-235 into another chunk to make a chain reaction.) The Fat Man for Nagasaki was a Pu implosion-type (An explosive blased a sphere of Pu into a tight area.) that was tested once in Alamagordo, MN, with a different yield. Both bombs ended up being much more powerful than predicted and took out parts of the neighboring cities, along with the naval yards. It was tragic, for sure, but how many lives were actually spared by ending the War in the Pacific earlier than if the A-bombs had not existed? I've read estimates that say the war could have continued 10 more years.


but when your oil prices skyrockets and no one will help you your little country would perish from having your doller low no oil to fight back and a bigger debt in the 1940's ish area then you have now
Avatar 007Jesse
14 Feb 2012 04:50
oh yeah, and Russia was actually about to join in. if we would have let them join and waited, the Japs may have surrendered.So the a-bombs may not have been completely necessary
Avatar 007Jesse
14 Feb 2012 04:48
yeah.. for some reason formatting got messed up. Mine starts at the line right after "10 more years."
Avatar 007Jesse
14 Feb 2012 04:46
Quoth HullBreach:
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually major military bases. The power of the bombs was a big unknown. For that reason, the USA dropped leaflets from planes a day in advance that warned the civilians to evacuate the areas. The Little Boy bomb for Hiroshima was an untested U-235 gun-type. (An explosive blasts a chunk of U-235 into another chunk to make a chain reaction.) The Fat Man for Nagasaki was a Pu implosion-type (An explosive blased a sphere of Pu into a tight area.) that was tested once in Alamagordo, MN, with a different yield. Both bombs ended up being much more powerful than predicted and took out parts of the neighboring cities, along with the naval yards. It was tragic, for sure, but how many lives were actually spared by ending the War in the Pacific earlier than if the A-bombs had not existed? I've read estimates that say the war could have continued 10 more years.[/quote]
actually, they werent military bases. Hiroshima did have a base, but it wasnt planned on being major unless Tokyo was more destriyed (by fire bombing)
The power of the a-bombs where a big unknown. Which is why they dropped it in the center of Hiroshima. They wanted to see how powerful they where. It just so happens that there was a hospital near ground zero, not a military base.
also, the pamphlets is a huge lie that you must have heard/ seen in the movie made soon after Hiroshima. There was no warning.
sorry to point those out, I just wanted you to know what happened (also, read the book Hiroshima. It's pretty good, and tells the stories of like 6 of the survivors of Little Boy)
Avatar Panzer123
14 Feb 2012 01:38
Quoth Moulder:
Quoth XxretraccoolXxquote]Well the japanese attacked pearl harbour because the usa cut off their oil supply. What would happen if the united states got their oil supply shut off


We produce our own oil, we just get oil from others as well. But the prices of oil for the USA would get jacked up extremely high. The reason Japan did what they did was pathetic and they deserved to be nuked in a way. I just wish they would of targeted some government places instead of killing thousands of innocent people that could possibly disagree with what their government was doing. [/quote]

Well, they killed our soldiers so...
Avatar Fart-Woman
14 Feb 2012 01:17
Quoth TEMPTRA:
well does anyone know that we were very close to losing that war


....it's already over..
Avatar Fart-Woman
13 Feb 2012 20:20
Quoth LinkZelda:
Some historians argue that America could of stopped the events which led to WW2 as they would of took charge of the League of Nations.


Exactly.
Avatar SirQuinn
13 Feb 2012 20:18
Holocaust doesn`t refrerence to just Jews does it? Stalin purged millions within his own domain as well. Gov`t workers were just as likely to be eliminated, that is if they threatened his rule.
Avatar LinkZelda
13 Feb 2012 17:15
Some historians argue that America could of stopped the events which led to WW2 as they would of took charge of the League of Nations.
Avatar HullBreach
13 Feb 2012 12:39
Quoth Moulder:
Quoth XxretraccoolXxquote]Well the japanese attacked pearl harbour because the usa cut off their oil supply. What would happen if the united states got their oil supply shut off


We produce our own oil, we just get oil from others as well. But the prices of oil for the USA would get jacked up extremely high. The reason Japan did what they did was pathetic and they deserved to be nuked in a way. I just wish they would of targeted some government places instead of killing thousands of innocent people that could possibly disagree with what their government was doing. [/quote]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually major military bases. The power of the bombs was a big unknown. For that reason, the USA dropped leaflets from planes a day in advance that warned the civilians to evacuate the areas. The Little Boy bomb for Hiroshima was an untested U-235 gun-type. (An explosive blasts a chunk of U-235 into another chunk to make a chain reaction.) The Fat Man for Nagasaki was a Pu implosion-type (An explosive blased a sphere of Pu into a tight area.) that was tested once in Alamagordo, MN, with a different yield. Both bombs ended up being much more powerful than predicted and took out parts of the neighboring cities, along with the naval yards. It was tragic, for sure, but how many lives were actually spared by ending the War in the Pacific earlier than if the A-bombs had not existed? I've read estimates that say the war could have continued 10 more years.
Avatar XxretraccoolXx
13 Feb 2012 05:15
Well the japanese attacked pearl harbour because the usa cut off their oil supply. What would happen if the united states got their oil supply shut off
Avatar Kingpin
13 Feb 2012 04:54
Quoth BanMan:
America is a great country.

COUGH
Avatar BanMan
13 Feb 2012 04:51
America is a great country.
Avatar Hylianzombie234
13 Feb 2012 04:22
Well, techinically, we were involved in WWII before Pearl Harbor. The U.S. sold supplies to the allied powers, which in turn, got us out of our depression. We were still helping fight the war beefore the bombing on Pearl Harbor. Sometimes schools lie to you until later, did you know that the primary colors are magenta, cyan, and yellow when you were first taught the primary colors?
Avatar Fart-Woman
13 Feb 2012 01:54
I don't love our country. There is so much hatrid and rudeness.
Avatar Flare2555
13 Feb 2012 01:24
You don't have to love your government to love your Country
Avatar EpicArtifex
13 Feb 2012 01:04
History was never my forté, I don't know all the facts, so I can't judge the accuracy of this. However I think it's important that some people realise America isn't the centre of the universe and perfect in every way. Everything has flaws, including countries.
Avatar HullBreach
13 Feb 2012 00:51
Quoth PosessedCarson:
Unfun fact: Holocaust means "Destructive Fire"


Actually it comes from ancient Greek for "holo" (whole, like "holistic", "hologram") and "caust" ("fire", like "caustic"). This is more closely means something like "mass purge" with fire referring to "purification".
Avatar Kingpin
13 Feb 2012 00:01
Quoth Moulder:
Quoth KiNGPiNquote]

The only reason 200,000 people where killed in the first place was because Japan's leader at the time was stupid enough to not surrender on our first bombing. [/quote]

It's war, you last as long as you can.
Avatar Panzer123
12 Feb 2012 22:57
Nobody knew much about the holocaust until Germany surrendered.
Avatar Panzer123
12 Feb 2012 22:53
Everyone already knew this.
Avatar PosessedCarson
12 Feb 2012 22:33
Unfun fact: Holocaust means "Destructive Fire"
Avatar HullBreach
12 Feb 2012 21:37
Quoth KiNGPiN:
I love how Japan killed roughly 2,000 people in the bombing (68 were civilians), so the USA nuked them killing 200,000 people that were mostly civilians. But the USA brought baseball to them so it's all good.


War is Hell.
Avatar Kingpin
12 Feb 2012 21:05
I love how Japan killed roughly 2,000 people in the bombing (68 were civilians), so the USA nuked them killing 200,000 people that were mostly civilians. But the USA brought baseball to them so it's all good.
Avatar Dude Guy
12 Feb 2012 20:54
In my opinion, they didn't get involved because it was a foreign war. Sweden didn't even fight at all, where's the hating on them? We only got involved when the war was no longer foreign.
Avatar SirQuinn
12 Feb 2012 20:25
Quoth HullBreach:
Since this blog is categorized as "Polemic Rant", I will accept it. Parts of the history are inaccurate.

FDR did not pull the US out of the Great Depression. If anything, he prolonged it with corruption of monetary policy and cronyism of officials. He was as close to a dictator as the nation ever had to that point. Under FDR, the USA defaulted on its debts by readjusting the dollar-to-gold ratio. By today's standard, it was around 700,000,000 of debt defaulted. This rippled to Europe, causing creditors to lose out on the funds and prolonged their depression, leading to promises from totalitarian leaders like Hitler and Mussolini that opressed great numbers of people.

When the War came about, there was a great deal of debate over whether or not the USA should enter the War.

The nation was not in the position to enter a war that was mainly between just European nations at the time. As the situation got much worse in Europe, Hitler made his appeal to his "Yellow Aryan Brothers" in Japan, which led to their attack on the USA at Pearl Harbor.

Once the USA entered the War, so much effort was put toward manufacturing and scientific research that the economy started growing, putting an end to the Great Depression.

It wasn't until after the War that the world really
found the full extent of the evil the Nazis committed against the Jews of Europe.



Well, I was told wars create jobs. All those supplies had to be made by someone. How would the history books be different if Japan saved us for last? The pretty much controlled the Pacific Ocean. The war could have an opposite ending if Japan conquered the Atlantic by heading west.
Avatar EpicArtifex
12 Feb 2012 19:23
Quoth Unknown Crazyman:
Why not have some pride in your country?


Pride is good. Blind pride through indoctrination, not so much.
Avatar BeckieBird
12 Feb 2012 19:00
Aryan. Not Arian.
Avatar Weeeee
12 Feb 2012 18:51
WWIII will be caused by hunger.
Avatar Unknown Crazyman
12 Feb 2012 18:39
Why not have some pride in your country?
Avatar HullBreach
12 Feb 2012 17:34
Since this blog is categorized as "Polemic Rant", I will accept it. Parts of the history are inaccurate.

FDR did not pull the US out of the Great Depression. If anything, he prolonged it with corruption of monetary policy and cronyism of officials. He was as close to a dictator as the nation ever had to that point. Under FDR, the USA defaulted on its debts by readjusting the dollar-to-gold ratio. By today's standard, it was around 700,000,000 of debt defaulted. This rippled to Europe, causing creditors to lose out on the funds and prolonged their depression, leading to promises from totalitarian leaders like Hitler and Mussolini that opressed great numbers of people.

When the War came about, there was a great deal of debate over whether or not the USA should enter the War.

The nation was not in the position to enter a war that was mainly between just European nations at the time. As the situation got much worse in Europe, Hitler made his appeal to his "Yellow Aryan Brothers" in Japan, which led to their attack on the USA at Pearl Harbor.

Once the USA entered the War, so much effort was put toward manufacturing and scientific research that the economy started growing, putting an end to the Great Depression.

It wasn't until after the War that the world really
found the full extent of the evil the Nazis committed against the Jews of Europe.
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