BSA not Allowing Homosexuals in

I have no idea what the BSA is, but not letting gays into an organisation for no reason other than that they're gay is dumb in any circumstance.

Black holes suck.

i don't think it's right to ban gays.i may not believe in homosexuality,but i don't have anything against gay ppl.

if they're gay,they're gay.so what?does it effect you? no,not really.

Sayeth whaaat?

Isn't BSA filled with young boys, like 8 thru 13 year olds? Why are boys claiming they're gay that age? They shouldn't ban gays from anywhere, but do you see the point I'm tryna make here?

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The distinguished Quesadilla spake:

Isn't BSA filled with young boys, like 8 thru 13 year olds? Why are boys claiming they're gay that age? They shouldn't ban gays from anywhere, but do you see the point I'm tryna make here?

That is the Cub Scouts, which is 7 to 10 years old, 11 to 18 is Boy Scouts, and no, I do not see the point you are "tryna" make, there is no age limit on feeling different, there is no age limit on realizing that you like something that other people think is "wrong and different"

However, there is an age limit on when you can act upon it, but that gets thrown out the window at lower ages ever year thanks to internet usage, music, movies, kids programming, and lack of parenting, but that is a whole different topic, and this is about Boy Scouts.

While I agree the Scouts should never discriminate against color, creed, sexuality, etc, it is a private foundation which means it is privately funded, and runs mostly off of donations, sales, etc, also the Scouts follow Christian values, which is why at one point homosexual boys were not allowed, and if they were, they had to be "closeted" or risk all of their hard work and dedication to be lost and gone forever, and pretty much "outcasted" from the Scouts.

Is this wrong? Yes, in a humane way its horrible, discriminating, and hateful to an extent, but since they are funded privately and by the church, they can uphold that as their rights as Americans.

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I thought that was how it always was?

Moo.

The distinguished bloodofgore spake:

As of December 21, 2013; gays will no longer be able to participate in the Boy Scouts of America.

You have this wrong, as of NOW gays kids are ALLOWED to join, they are still not letting gay Pack Leaders to either come out, or join.

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I wonder what makes them think that gay = pedophile. Attracted to men = attracted to boys. Or if they're thinking that the scout leader being gay will rub off onto them, and what, turn they gay? Or maybe teach them some tolerance? Hmm. I don't see how that topic would even come up in this situation anyway. It's a random topic to bring up... I doubt the kids are interested in that info anyway, unless you specifically bring it up to them.

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The distinguished EpicArtifex spake:

I have no idea what the BSA is, but not letting gays into an organisation for no reason other than that they're gay is dumb in any circumstance.

So, you have no idea what this organization is, but you are going to comment about it just because they don't let gays enter? Sounds pretty immature of you.

So tell me, should gays be allowed in a gentleman's club? Probably not, because they don't like boobs. Should gays be allowed in anti-gay parties? No, because that would be just plain stupid.

Small organizations have the right to discriminate against any person from any service. Why do you think restaurants have that sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign?

Too much for you? Good. Now why don't you be a good kid, and do some research what the BSA is, and maybe you will find a reason they do not allow gays, instead of being a liberal tree-hugger that believes anything you hear.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

My feelings on this whole thing....
We have Boy Scouts, we have Girl Scouts. It isn't discriminatory, is it?
It is sex biased, is it not?

No...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (which a lot of people these days lack traditional values, mainly gays and liberals), boys like to hike and learn how to tie knots, and girls like to make cupcakes and cookies. Before you know it, libtards will start saying that this is sexual discrimination, and allow girls in boy scouts, and vice-versa.

Now lets think for a moment, what problem could that cause?
I suppose that could mess up the names of the camp. That's one problem.
Another problem is that it would destroy traditional values.
One more problem.... Distraction and possibly hanky-panky.

Now then, gays are like girls. They like boys. They lack boobs, but they still like boys.
You think letting girls in boy scouts is stupid?
What difference, other than gender, does it make if they were gay?
Same problems, different gender.


After all, look what happened when we let gays in the army.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

The distinguished Haruspex spake:

The distinguished Quesadilla spake:[quote]Isn't BSA filled with young boys, like 8 thru 13 year olds? Why are boys claiming they're gay that age? They shouldn't ban gays from anywhere, but do you see the point I'm tryna make here?

That is the Cub Scouts, which is 7 to 10 years old, 11 to 18 is Boy Scouts, and no, I do not see the point you are "tryna" make, there is no age limit on feeling different, there is no age limit on realizing that you like something that other people think is "wrong and different"

However, there is an age limit on when you can act upon it, but that gets thrown out the window at lower ages ever year thanks to internet usage, music, movies, kids programming, and lack of parenting, but that is a whole different topic, and this is about Boy Scouts.

While I agree the Scouts should never discriminate against color, creed, sexuality, etc, it is a private foundation which means it is privately funded, and runs mostly off of donations, sales, etc, also the Scouts follow Christian values, which is why at one point homosexual boys were not allowed, and if they were, they had to be "closeted" or risk all of their hard work and dedication to be lost and gone forever, and pretty much "outcasted" from the Scouts.

Is this wrong? Yes, in a humane way its horrible, discriminating, and hateful to an extent, but since they are funded privately and by the church, they can uphold that as their rights as Americans.[/quote]

For once, I actually agree with you.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

The distinguished COMMANDER spake:

The distinguished EpicArtifex spake:[quote]I have no idea what the BSA is, but not letting gays into an organisation for no reason other than that they're gay is dumb in any circumstance.

So, you have no idea what this organization is, but you are going to comment about it just because they don't let gays enter? Sounds pretty immature of you.

So tell me, should gays be allowed in a gentleman's club? Probably not, because they don't like boobs. Should gays be allowed in anti-gay parties? No, because that would be just plain stupid.

Small organizations have the right to discriminate against any person from any service. Why do you think restaurants have that sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign?

Too much for you? Good. Now why don't you be a good kid, and do some research what the BSA is, and maybe you will find a reason they do not allow gays, instead of being a liberal tree-hugger that believes anything you hear.[/quote]

This is the most condescending thing I have ever read in my life.

First, Artifex is from England, and they do not have the BSA over there, if you would have done a little bit of research before you spoke to him like a five year old, you would have realized that, but whatevs, he is totally immature for speaking his mind and asking a valid question. His bad.


Second, gays are allowed into Gentlemen's Club all the time, just because "OMG BOOBS GROSS" does not mean they will not have a good time hanging out with their heterosexual friends and enjoying time away from work, the office, real lives. But hey, OMG BOOBIES GAYS HAET BEWBIES LOLOL LTS NOT LET THEM IN BEKUS DEY MITE HIT ON US BLAH BLAH.

Thirdly, small organizations do have the right, but the BSA is not a small organization in the least at all, and while they are funded by Church, they apparently overcame years of segregation and separation and let a large group of kids that were shunned from participating in a very important part of a boys life.

Also, yea, when we let gays in the military, they actually fought for the country that tried to shun them into oblivion because they liked something "normal" people didn't, what did you do? wWay to go America you dun goofed there, letting those bad bad homos fight for your country that you supposedly love so much that you do the good American deed and sit in your hoverround consuming more McDonalds, while those bad bad bad homos are out there fighting for your rights that you decided to deny them.

Silly homos.

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The distinguished Haruspex spake:

The distinguished COMMANDER spake:[quote]The distinguished EpicArtifex spake:<blockquote>I have no idea what the BSA is, but not letting gays into an organisation for no reason other than that they're gay is dumb in any circumstance.

So, you have no idea what this organization is, but you are going to comment about it just because they don't let gays enter? Sounds pretty immature of you.

So tell me, should gays be allowed in a gentleman's club? Probably not, because they don't like boobs. Should gays be allowed in anti-gay parties? No, because that would be just plain stupid.

Small organizations have the right to discriminate against any person from any service. Why do you think restaurants have that sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sign?

Too much for you? Good. Now why don't you be a good kid, and do some research what the BSA is, and maybe you will find a reason they do not allow gays, instead of being a liberal tree-hugger that believes anything you hear.</blockquote>

This is the most condescending thing I have ever read in my life.

First, Artifex is from England, and they do not have the BSA over there, if you would have done a little bit of research before you spoke to him like a five year old, you would have realized that, but whatevs, he is totally immature for speaking his mind and asking a valid question. His bad.


Second, gays are allowed into Gentlemen's Club all the time, just because "OMG BOOBS GROSS" does not mean they will not have a good time hanging out with their heterosexual friends and enjoying time away from work, the office, real lives. But hey, OMG BOOBIES GAYS HAET BEWBIES LOLOL LTS NOT LET THEM IN BEKUS DEY MITE HIT ON US BLAH BLAH.

Thirdly, small organizations do have the right, but the BSA is not a small organization in the least at all, and while they are funded by Church, they apparently overcame years of segregation and separation and let a large group of kids that were shunned from participating in a very important part of a boys life.

Also, yea, when we let gays in the military, they actually fought for the country that tried to shun them into oblivion because they liked something "normal" people didn't, what did you do? wWay to go America you dun goofed there, letting those bad bad homos fight for your country that you supposedly love so much that you do the good American deed and sit in your hoverround consuming more McDonalds, while those bad bad bad homos are out there fighting for your rights that you decided to deny them.

Silly homos.
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You know an awful lot about the gay culture.

You are yelling at me for the same reason I am yelling at him. Lack of research, which tells me you are only siding with him either because A) As I have noticed for a long time, you seem to have a strong interest in the gay culture and will defend ANYBODY who stands with their "rights".
Or B) you just simply dislike me, and will side with ANYBODY who disagrees with me.

Either way, perhaps I have mis-worded, perhaps "not allowed" is too strong, more like "It wouldn't make very much sense". I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Second, British or not, this fellow could have done research on BSA before opening HIS mouth. I do not have time, with my full-time job as a contractor, and a musician by weekends, to keep track of all the locations of every user on here. So I really don't think trying to use my words against me in this fashion was really effective. And he did not speak his mind in a very mature way. "I don't know what BSA is, but I am boycotting it now because they do not allow gays". If that had been me that said that, you would have been all over me. Unless my first theory was correct. So was he speaking his mind? I guess so. Did he word it properly and do his own research? No. Where I come from, you can get beat up for that.

Third, BSA is a traditional organization, therefore traditional values MUST be held. If not allowing gays preserves these values, then so be it. But the libtards got to them, and I must say I am disappointed in BSA.

Must I refresh your memory that straight people in the army were sexually harassed and even raped by gay men? That's the only fighting I see them do. And the same reason boys and girls have separate bathrooms, to prevent sexual harassment and rape.

And what's wrong with McDonalds? Thanks to them, I gained 50 pounds of much needed fat, now I weigh 145 pounds :D

Go ahead, try again. I love contradicting people, and I love a challenge.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

You know an awful lot about the gay culture.

I know alot about "gay culture" because I am not a homophobic conservative from the backwoods of redneckville population 20, I actually interact with people of all races, creeds, sexual orientations, and lifestyles, and guess what, they are all human, and last I checked, every HUMAN deserves EQUAL RIGHTS, not just 'Merrikan straight people' So yea, I guess I do

Third, BSA is a traditional organization, therefore traditional values MUST be held. If not allowing gays preserves these values, then so be it. But the libtards got to them, and I must say I am disappointed in BSA.

So quick to throw libtard out, but ok, I am sorry you are dissapointed that a very welcoming group of people, that does amazing things for boys, decided to catch up with the rest of the century and decided that everyone should enjoy something they want to do no matter what race, creed, or sexual orientation they are, I mean hell if this is the case, lets get rid of all of the black boys, Mexican boys, Asian boy, Irish boys, and anyone else that is not a pure white 'Murrikan heterosexual boy, because those kids dont have rights, screw them right?

Must I refresh your memory that straight people in the army were sexually harassed and even raped by gay men? That's the only fighting I see them do. And the same reason boys and girls have separate bathrooms, to prevent sexual harassment and rape.

Must I remind you that they are STILL FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHTS while you are still eating McDonalds and denying them theirs?

Must I remind you that more than 40 percent of closeted gays in the military before DADT committed suicide because of the amount of hate, backlash, and false accusations of "rape" "unwanted advances" they suffered because "dem fgts r pansies n cnt fite 4 da US" yet here they are, fighting on the frontlines while you are sitting here on the internet berating them because "gays r bad mmmkay"

A) As I have noticed for a long time, you seem to have a strong interest in the gay culture and will defend ANYBODY who stands with their "rights".
Or B) you just simply dislike me, and will side with ANYBODY who disagrees with me

Again I have a strong interest in HUMAN CULTURE, not just GAY CULTURE, it does not matter to me if you are gay, straight, bi, demi, trans whatever, you are still a human, and as a human, I will stand up for those HUMANS that are having their rights stripped from them, it is not about sexuality, it is about HUMANITY. I will side with people that respect people for being a person, and not someone that berates them and takes away said persons right because they do not understand or think that being "different" is wrong based on what a book told them.

Your makeup is terrible, but I love you anyway.

You're gay, aren't you?

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

The distinguished COMMANDER spake:

You're gay, aren't you?

You're incredibly close minded, hypocritical, and homophobic. Congrats you went full retard.

Your makeup is terrible, but I love you anyway.

Answer me, yes or no?

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

The distinguished COMMANDER spake:

Answer me, yes or no?

This thread is not about that. This thread is about the boy scouts. You seem to be hung up on other peoples sexuality, which is not surprising, most homophobes are so deep in the closet they found Narnia.

Your makeup is terrible, but I love you anyway.

Calling me childish names does not answer me.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...

I am calling it like I see it Chuck.

Your makeup is terrible, but I love you anyway.

Then I will call it as I see it. I may be "homophobic", but I at least have a life outside Skyrim.
As I see it, you are gay, and in the closet.

Do I have a problem with it? No.

Perhaps I am a homophobe, but I will protect traditional values, even if it means getting called "homophobe" or "racist" and even small minded.

What you don't know about me is I actually have an open mind. I don't hate people, I sometimes get angry at them, but unless they give me a reason to hate, I do not hate for no reason.

You, for example. Yes, I find you stubborn, quick to judge and anger, and sometimes I want to punch you through the screen, but do I hate you? No.

You have me misunderstood, and I as well.
Nothing like a little debate to start the morning.

I know my apprehensions might never be allayed. And so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written...